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If someone calls themelves a christian and then commits suicide, you have to question how genuine their faith was, perhaps they were like the seed that landed in the thorny path

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what the fuck

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Quote: from gronk at 12:33 pm on Oct. 13, 2008

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If someone calls themelves a christian and then commits suicide, you have to question how genuine their faith was, perhaps they were like the seed that landed in the thorny path

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what the fuck

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Quote: from SovSull at 11:41 am on Oct. 14, 2008

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Quote: from gronk at 12:33 pm on Oct. 13, 2008

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If someone calls themelves a christian and then commits suicide, you have to question how genuine their faith was, perhaps they were like the seed that landed in the thorny path

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 what the fuck

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Read the parable of the four seeds Mark 4:1-19
Unlike many parables, Jesus explains this one clearly

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And where in the explanation does he say, "The thorny soil is like the people who commit suicide," I'm wondering? Perhaps you could show that to me?

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Quote: from gronk at 7:22 pm on Oct. 13, 2008

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No of course not, one of my best friends is both a follower of Jesus and a depression sufferer. However I believe and the bible says that Jesus transforms your live, gives you a new hope when you become a christian. So taking your life away is rebelling against God (sinning). So you have to question why, not immeadiately jump to conclusions.

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Perhaps because depression is often a clinical problem and the persons who suffer from depression aren't always responsible for their actions? I don't think it's your place to call anyone "less" Christian for committing suicide...they're no "less" Christian than a Christian who lies or a Christian who has extra-marital sex.

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Yup. People can't control the balances/imbalances of chemicals in their brains, even Christians. So how is it the fault of the victim if their depression is to the point where suicide risk is involved?

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Quote: from Goofy at 12:00 pm on Oct. 12, 2008

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Do you believe that suicide is a sin? Do you think someone who commits suicide goes to heaven?

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Whether or not someone who commits suicide goes to Heaven has nothing to do with the suicide itself and everything to do with Who they know.

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say that to some of the churches I go to and you will hear will if they really truely know Jesus they would never truely want to do such a thing

not saying I agree with that but I have heard it said at some of the churches I go to

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 3:12 pm on Oct. 12, 2008

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Quote: from Goofy at 12:00 pm on Oct. 12, 2008

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Do you believe that suicide is a sin? Do you think someone who commits suicide goes to heaven?

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 Whether or not someone who commits suicide goes to Heaven has nothing to do with the suicide itself and everything to do with Who they know.

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say that to some of the churches I go to and you will hear will if they really truely know Jesus they would never truely want to do such a thing

not saying I agree with that but I have heard it said at some of the churches I go to

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I don't really care what they say. Their position has no Scriptural support.

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Quote: from gronk at 7:22 pm on Oct. 13, 2008

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No of course not, one of my best friends is both a follower of Jesus and a depression sufferer. However I believe and the bible says that Jesus transforms your live, gives you a new hope when you become a christian. So taking your life away is rebelling against God (sinning). So you have to question why, not immeadiately jump to conclusions.

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Perhaps because depression is often a clinical problem and the persons who suffer from depression aren't always responsible for their actions? I don't think it's your place to call anyone "less" Christian for committing suicide...they're no "less" Christian than a Christian who lies or a Christian who has extra-marital sex.

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Actually they are if you have soul and you have control over your body then you do have responibility of whether or not you are depress.

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Actually they are if you have soul and you have control over your body then you do have responibility of whether or not you are depress.

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Have you ever studied clinical depression at all?

Or, better question: is it your responsibility not to have cancer?

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Quote: from gronk at 10:57 pm on Oct. 13, 2008

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Quote: from SovSull at 11:41 am on Oct. 14, 2008

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Quote: from gronk at 12:33 pm on Oct. 13, 2008

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If someone calls themelves a christian and then commits suicide, you have to question how genuine their faith was, perhaps they were like the seed that landed in the thorny path

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  what the fuck

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 Read the parable of the four seeds Mark 4:1-19  
 Unlike many parables, Jesus explains this one clearly

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And where in the explanation does he say, "The thorny soil is like the people who commit suicide," I'm wondering? Perhaps you could show that to me?

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no Im saying that the thorny people are those who hear the word, perhaps even call themselves christian, but because they have no root choke themselves at the "worries of this life"

what do you think Jesus means by those people who are on the thorny soil?

Perhaps its the rocky soil, which had no root, no foundation

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